How did she make it, if she isn't secretly an agent of the Dominion? Absent any hard evidence, you're just taking someone's word for it. Games. After completing the quest, Saadia seemed a bit, for lack of a better word, cold-hearted. Saadia is known for constantly changing her name. Saadia - Time of Need is a mod that expands Saadia's role in Skyrim. Why not in Hammerfell? The sum of two well-ordered subsets is well-ordered. The reason offered by Saadia for her exile was that she was speaking against Aldemeri Dominion. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Whiterun isn't a pro-Imperial city, at present its neutral. Justiciar Execution Order with your race and name. 3. We learn that the Redguards refuse to accept the treaty (and are expelled from the empire) and continue to wage war with the Aldmeri Dominion. The game doesn't tell us who is right here, so we're stuck with the dilemma people face in real life: we have to make the best choice with the information we have. Draevan, and what do you have to say about the hypothesis of the urn being symbolic, since they simply don't find her the next morning? In the end, the heroic Redguards fought the Aldmeri Dominion to a standstill, [...] to allow the eventually Second Treaty of Stros M'kai in 4E 180 and the withdrawal of Aldmeri forces from Hammerfell. Saadia is a traitor and should suffer the worst fate. Maurice Jondrelle is an idiot who's going to get us both killed, Who's that in the wall in Reachcliff Cave. Several cities in Hammerfell would have gladly protected her from the Thalmor. While this may seem like an act of desperate defiance, it may hint at a violent and unpredictable personality. (spoilers)". In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. Just looking at what they were packing - they had curved swords. Makes sense to me. But I'd rather stand with truth than money (I don't really need the 500g that bad... plenty of money later on). After Hammerfall itself its the province where accusations of Thalmor sympathy are most likely to get you lynched. We learn that the Aldmeri Dominion were eventually forced to widthdraw from Hammerfell as the war lead to a standstill. So I think it is reasonable to believe that Kematu was lying about his intentions to the Dragonborn. While this may seem like an act of desperate defiance, it may hint at a violent and unpredictable personality. Perhaps they have a bad reputation for being dirty mercenaries. – Arkku Nov 30 '15 at 9:49. She is alone, friendless, and has just learned that her pursues have caught up with her. Thus it is not provably wrong. The Alik'r are hiding in a damn bandit cave 5. Kematu's opening line - "We can avoid any more bloodshed." #5, note that Kematu clearly has the apparent advantage in numbers when he makes the proposal, and he's taking a risk that you double-cross him by pretending to accept the proposal and then help Saadia escape (or kill Kematu at the exchange, which you can actually do). 1) Saadia is on her own, hiding and being hunted. @Nothingatall "To let the player in Skyrim know it has happened." But here is my take on it for judging the character, So based on that, I usually go with Saadia if I am being a relatively 'good' person... or if I just want all the Alik'r gear to dress up manikins with :). Elder Scrolls and Fallout community: character builds, lore, discussions and more. Go to Hammerfall and ask the House of Suda. Were it not for her betrayal, Taneth could have held its ground in the war." Wishing I hadn't turned her over, but oh well, I don't know if I could have beaten that many Alik'r warriors anyway. Both Kematu and Saadia are lying to the Dragonborn, so why do I believe that she is innocent? I just happened to visit the hall of the dead in white run, after helping the Alik'r and what do I find Saadia's burial Urn. Saadia or Kematu? My Conclusions - Feel free to make your own based on the given facts. I've done this quest both ways.. and I am now convinced the Alik'r are lying.. According to her, when the Aldmeri Dominion spread to her province, she spoke out against the Dominion and was forced to leave the land. Am I obligated to disclose coworker misconduct? @Flater re. family might not want her buried in her ancestral home. Although not explicitly mentioned, judging by the White-Gold Concordat I doubt that the treaty of Stros M'kai left the Aldmeri Dominion empty handed (which might explain Kematu saying that the resistance in Hammerfell is still ongoing). It only takes a minute to sign up. Since Aldmeri Dominion justiciar parties are freely roaming throughout Skyrim (prisoners in tow), hiring a third party to do the same job seems questionable. Complete with fake ashes in the urn (since if you search it you find "Saadia's Ashes" in the urn)? The Redguards, understandably, looked on this as a betrayal. they have been causing trouble in Whiterun, to the point of getting thrown out and/or arrested, the Alik'r out searching refuse to give any reasons for hunting Saadia, they don't have any sort of official documentation of their hunt, they have been harassing Redguard women who are travelling throughout Skyrim, Saadia actually puts the weapon away when you ask her to. I just kill both sides, sometimes for sh#$s and giggles, other times for maximum reward. @Andy_Vulhop Using the official means to complete every and any task is stupid for every great empire, especially if it concerns breaking in another Hold to make justice as they understand it. rev 2021.1.18.38333, The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Arqade works best with JavaScript enabled, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site, Learn more about Stack Overflow the company, Learn more about hiring developers or posting ads with us. Curved. Saadia wouldn't be hiding in Skyrim if she was really fleeing from the Thalmor. Yeah, I'm on Saadia's side, the other thing that made me want to believe her is that if she helped the Aldmeri Dominion she could be fine under their protection, they're pretty freaking strong that and the fact she was a noble and became a tavern wench to live in hiding rather than staying a noble gives some credibility to her defense. He never really tells you why he was captured, he just says he has shamed the Alik'r for being captured, they are supposed to be "the best of the best" he says. Meaning she was killed, and suggesting that Saadia was telling the truth: Kematu and his men were in the employ of the Dominion all along. For The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on the Xbox 360, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "In my time of need quest, who is telling the truth? At least until he was away from the city, to avoid more trouble with the Whiterun guards. According to claims, Saadia was forced to flee the province to Skyrim after speaking out against the Aldmeri Dominion , … An additional point in favour of Kematu is that if you kill Saadia at the exchange, he laments the wasted effort, so clearly he wasn't just planning on murdering her once they're out of your sight. This was my original reason to hit F9, say "screw you" and sold her out instead. well if she did help the thalmor and you helped Kematu then it makes sense that the justicars wanted to stop you, but why does justiciars imply that Kematu was lying? That's what prompts me to believe that Saadia is in fact lying. If a jet engine is bolted to the equator, does the Earth speed up? Who must be present at the Presidential Inauguration? If Alik'r can't present any official request to extradite her, or any other proof that they working under any legitimate reason, then they have absolutely no business with ther. "She sold the city out to the Aldmeri Dominion. This is why. And his closing lines which imply that Saadia is known for her manipulation of people. They said there was a bounty on her head, and I would be rewarded for finding her. Do the Alik'r actually go after you if you take too long to lure Saadia to the stables? 1. answer. Was he in the employ of the Dominion? If Saadia was fleeing because she spoke out against the Dominion, she would not have had to flee all the way to Skyrim. However after reading this I realised, if she has an Urn, with her name on it, it means she was officially/publically killed. The Alik'r pretty much are going to kill you unless you give them Saadia. Curved. Surviving the journey from Hammerfell to Skyrim was probably not easy, especially for a pampered noble. Since he himself has most likely fought alongside redguards from Hammerfell, he might have allowed them to stay in his town as fellow veterans of war. (Upload NOWHERE ELSE!) That's pretty compelling evidence against them in my book. Side with the Alik'r and Saadia will be executed. @Arkku Why, after an execution in Hammerfell, would they send her ashes back to Skyrim? Who's telling the truth? This may indicate On the other hand, were they killed by 'regular' murderers this wouldn't enrage you politically. Given that Hammerfell is not friendly with the Thalmor, Saadia's story of being persecuted for speaking out against them seems unlikely. She says that she spoke out against the Thalmor in Hammerfell and they hired assassins to hunt her down. and wanting to see the girl he left behind. However, you must consider that the Alik'r have curved swords. Speaking to the Alik'r ends the quests and earns the reward. Also, here are many assumptions at play, for example: - Having an urn means a person is definitely dead, - Having an urn in Whiterun means a person died in Whiterun, - Being dead means the last person you saw them with is the killer and he had murderous intents from the start. Prior to her arrival in Skyrim, Saadia, or "Iman" to use her true name, as revealed during her quest, was a noble belonging to one of the most powerful houses in Hammerfell. Just to be clear, by that you mean the people of Whiterun woke up, saw she was gone, assumed she was dead and held a funeral? The first time you talk to Saadia, she pulls a knife on you. In Whiterun I met a pair of Redguard thugs who told me they were looking for a young Redguard woman. In My Time of Need: Saadia was telling the truth. The Emperor encouraged [The Aldmeri Dominion] in their belief that he was preparing to surrender; meanwhile, he gathered his forces to retake the Imperial City. According to the book on The Great War the Alik'r Warriors inflected massive casualties on the Dominion armies. Why do I get attacked by Thalmor Justicars in Skyrim when I have done nothing to offend them as far as I know? I don't understand how your armor has anything to do with the Nords' inherent racism made them inclined to toss the Alik'r out of town. If Kematu really was an assassin, why paralyse her at the end of the quest - why not just stab her and be done with it? The Alik'r were shunned by Whiterun, that's saying something. In Whiterun, or anywhere else in Skyrim, this is the lore and the law. Kematu, on the other hand, is a calculating liar. Swords. The Alik'r are not allowed in the city, so for now she is perfectly safe. She might be a liar, but Kematu is definitely a liar. Skyrim. Why does he get angry if the Dragonborn kills her while she's paralyzed? That would mean she didn't die in skyrim and that Kematu didn't lie. "I am a noble of House Suda in Hammerfell.". Swords. Are the Imperials allied with the Thalmor? While this may seem like an act of desperate defiance, it may hint at a violent and unpredictable personality. As far as I know, Skyrim doesn't go into detail about the Alik'r. If you side with Saadia during her questline, you may obtain proof of her innocence, and she will become available as a potential Follower, Steward, Spouse, and Traveling Merchant. The Alik'r are also ousted from entering Whiterun.. for some reason I would imagine. That she is guilty of something. Many inconsistencies. I was attacked by a group of them, and hadn't done the Embassy, and had sided with Saadia. @omikron yes, but then why would her burial urn be in Whiterun? NPC Replacer for Saadia, the Redguard woman located in the Bannered Mare. via nexus mods. The Aldmeri Dominion is currently in power in Hammerfell. The Dragonborn can search all they like, but no evidence in favor of either side ever presents itself. As Slade said here, her urn is in Whiterun, if you side with Kematu, meaning that while she might be taken back alive, she gets an execution at some point. If you believe Saadia, skip to Talk to the Alik'r Prisoner. 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